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GVA & HBVL: The result
I just had a phone call with Joris, the person who'll be responsible for CDMM the Concentra entity that publishes the gva & hbvl.be websites.
He'll invite us (that's you, photographers, too) to a meeting in Antwerp.
We'll be able to share ideas, and discuss what's possible and what's not.
Important note: It isn't my intention to 'attack' (or to 'win'), as said, I am the first to say the concept of copyright should be re-questioned these days.
But I didn't want things to be buried as if nothing had happened (yes, they'll remove the widget for the time being), as I think there are many interesting possibilities.(thinking of tweeduizend.be and sofort)
Possibilities in which all of us can find themselves.
This story hasn't ended. It just begun :)
Update:
Just to point out that many are using the system of gathering pictures elsewhere to fill content (and I am not pointing finger towards GVA & HBVL only): Gazet van Turnhout does the same ;). (Notice: there is a huge difference between this example and the former ones, this one doesn't make aliving out of it.)
Update2: Someone mentioned my pictures are not CC'd, but full copyrighted. Well, due to reasons like the one above, I fully copyrighted all my posted pics. But I'll never sue anyone using it without any profit. In my opinion, that's when it is 'free publicity'
When I see huge amounts of ads, and making profit out of it, it is.
Posted on June 5, 2008
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Mister Joris is a laid-back guy. We worked together for a few months. I'm sure things will get smoothed out soon. ;)
Posted by Stijn | June 5, 2008 6:03 PMGreat story! Copyright and the issue of IP doesn't have to have a negative connotation. If you ask politely to use content, people are more willing to cooperate and the results are usually a lot more inspired.
I'm curious to see where this is going...
Posted by Matthias | June 5, 2008 10:01 PMYou kicked some serious ass there! Brilliant..
Posted by catherine | June 5, 2008 10:38 PMIntereseting.
Posted by n3wjack | June 6, 2008 8:57 AMKeep us posted. :)
What they "could" do, is create some groups in FlickR in which people can post their pictures. Put a disclaimer that the group is used to display pictures on their website, and invite people to post.
That way, you put the responsibility of having the pictures shown on the site back with the photographers.
We use this with Brusselblogt (http://www.flickr.com/groups/brusselblogt/).
Posted by Mike | June 6, 2008 10:10 AMYou have got to love these little conflicts with new media. User Generated Content is a way to get people closer to your brand, but at the same time brands look at it as a cheap way to get popular.
I think we're misunderstood. No relation without dialogue. Getting a set of tools and leaving the communication behind is not getting web2.0 on our ass..
The Onpoint-blog had a problem with the Brussels library as well, different case samen clash of perspectives.. They don't get it
This results in these great
Posted by Koen Verbrugge | September 18, 2008 1:56 PMSince the last post lost his tail, and because Ine was so kind to remind me by e-mail :
Yes I do believe that web2.0 should lead to transparancy and dialogue which in turn will lead us to better products (= the end off salesman/companies who don't add value to the existing products).
But only if some companies have the heart to get on with a pure social media-model, while most will try to crossbreed : keep the volume and the one-way-desion-making of the old system and combine it with the slightest form of participation (maybe do a contest? ;)) - either that or they just implement some tools (like what we have here).
This fear of change is not only true for the companies and its laggard clients. It also endangers the true form of web2.0 to the advantage of control for the owner.
At this rate and in the context of belgium ( a country with close to no independent startups and therefore no guerilla-competition) the oldschool manager and his stale vision of pushin promo down the clients throat won't be threatend..
Web2.0-soldiers Rise up! ;)
Posted by Koen Verbrugge | September 22, 2008 3:17 PMI just have the same problem ow with volkskrant.nl. I saw they did it after someone saying it appeared there, and wanting to buy a print.
Never-the-less, they can't do it!
Posted by Otto Van De Steene | March 17, 2009 7:40 PM